Murder 1

shmity72

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The most 'entertaining' thing about RPG is indelibly getting away with Murder 1 without getting caught. PERIOD.
What does that say about our culture when the areola is castigated as a shameful part of the human body and that should be banned as pornography but nobody blinks an eye at murder?

sincerely, jason
 

Urdnot_Wrex

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Let's see.
First of all, "our culture" needs to be defined, I assume you mean your own, so you might specify.

Games are produced for and played by an international crowd.
Where I come from and live, in a European country, the female breast is not banned as a shameful part. At least not in the way that for example breastfeeding a baby in a public place or taking off one's shirt at the beach would make someone call the police. Yes, it's unfair that when it's hot in summer my brother can walk across the street in pants only and I would cause a scene if I did, but seeing a shirtless woman (and yes, also showing the "areola") can still happen in advertisement or a movie rated 12+. And at a public sauna in the specific rooms or huts with the high temperature people will be naked (yes, men and women) without it having any sexual context. They're just sitting there undressed instead of being dressed, because wearing clothes at 100°C is unhealthy, and that's it. And if I decided to be shirtless in my backyard and my neighbour would stare, he would be the rude one, not me.

So a naked female breast won't give a 16+ or 18+ rating in my culture and therefore is hardly considered shameful or pornographic.

Now, murder.
Unlawful, premeditated killing of another person without justification and with malicious aforethought.

So unless you're talking about a specific game or specific situation, I don't think I committed murder in any game, except for, well, Assassin's Creed: Odyssey, for obvious reasons. And even there I'd argue about the "malicious" part.

Yes, we kill in RPGs, but usually in self-defense, or for some other reason, or in a context where only a paladin would call it murder. Most games I have played don't have inevitable situations that require you to murder someone in cold blood, especially not an innocent.

So as I said, the situation and circumstances need to be specified a bit. It was probably just a "My place rates even moderate nudity worse than violent crime" rant by the OP. That's fine too I guess, but as I said, some context about which situation, which game, which culture would help, which is why I decided to share my perspective.
 

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It was probably just a "My place rates even moderate nudity worse than violent crime" rant by the OP

Yes. Progressive positive cultural change takes a bit longer to get to the states than it does to EU in most respects.

It was kind of a frustrated rant, although it is also a shining light on drama in and of itself.
good guy gets toe stubbed by bad guy, good guy overcomes odds drawing in the audience, good guy brings the unmasked bad guy to a violent end with his 2h sword of torso splitting...selling ticket receipts.
^this^ is a good thing. its story. a good yarn of a story that is relatable can sell tickets and benefit society at the same time. (rare but it happens) something like Schindler's list.

I do not wish to sound cynical. It's more just an observational what do you all think about this? quip.

An entire chapter of downloadable content in ESO was dedicated to joining the dark brotherhood, this is the first quest:
At the docks you will find Amelie Crowe. She will ask you to kill an innocent in the city of Anvil, that way you will draw the attention of the Dark Brotherhood.
Incidentally my wife and I never got into it all that much.

Thank you for response.

Maybe I should look in the mirror and see what it is which I gravitate towards for entertainment.
 
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Urdnot_Wrex

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An entire chapter of downloadable content in ESO was dedicated to joining the dark brotherhood, this is the first quest:
At the docks you will find Amelie Crowe. She will ask you to kill an innocent in the city of Anvil, that way you will draw the attention of the Dark Brotherhood.
Incidentally my wife and I never got into it all that much.

Fair enough to be put off by that. During the few days of free ESO Plus trial, I joined the Thieves guild, but was hesitant to join the Dark Brotherhood (whose backstory from other TES games I don't know yet) simply because of that quest starter too.

Now take into account that even if the game is rated 16+ or 18+ depending on country and edition, that it would be absolutely inacceptable for many people in many countries and cultures to, say, get the possility to join the (Divine) Prostitution Guild by taking off your clothes at an inn, dancing on the table and having sex with a random client there, I kind of see your point.
(It would be really interesting to know, though, what kind of skill line would be unlocked there and what the "armour" and equipment sets and outfit style would look like, but I'm digressing...)

Back to the Dark Brotherhood, from what I have heard, it's actually just the quest starter that's badly done, because the attached quest to join the guild gives you assassination jobs, but it's no longer innocent commoners, and you unlock skills and a special trader and all that... in the end assassination is a tool like any other, and often I think it's more efficient and merciful to send someone to assassinate a tyrant than to send two armies of soldiers against each other and therefore killing even more people.
So the dumb "kill an innocent" start is probably just sloppy attempt to easily integrate the trigger for that questline into an existing MMO.

I didn't join the DB for lack of time even after learning that, but I'm planning to catch up on their lore in other TES games and maybe join when there's another free trial.
 
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