A rant about games being delisted.

Fandraxx

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Hey all,

Basically, Sega recently announced that they're delisting a bunch of their games in a few weeks. It was enough to get me to drop everything to record a rant about it.

Figured some here might find it interesting, as I dive a bit into emulation and the state of game rereleases and accessibility.

 

JustKneller

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So, I'm not a big fan of piracy. I mean, I fileshared the crap out of anything and everything back in the day (especially music), but then deleted everything. I had read an article that discussed how piracy actually lowers your enjoyment of media because now you're saturated with it since you can theoretically have all of it. Sure enough, that described me. I didn't bother to curate anything so I had tons of everything and didn't really enjoy most of it and had trouble sifting through it for the stuff that I would really enjoy. Once I deleted it all and started from scratch, I enjoyed everything more because I was evaluating things more consciously and acquiring things more intentionally. I had a lot less of everything, but what I did have was much more satisfying.

THAT being said, I would totally support people who want to pirate and download old video games. If I didn't still have every console I've ever owned and the games well preserved (and/or could find stuff on GoG), I would probably do the same. "They" really do make it tough to continue to enjoy the classics, and for really no good reason in a lot of cases.
 

Black Elk

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Yeah that blows, I mean come on SEGA! Good Rant

The thing about the Classic oldschool games is that, at least for kids of a certain age, they totally still hold up. Especially around the holidays. I had a lot of fun introducing my Ex's kid to some of my old favs. He wasn't as big on the sidescroller platformers, but plenty of games stood the test of the Ocarina of time. Basically anything from like super Nintendo on I'd say, and for sure the N64. Like be the only 2rd grader playing Golden Eye and Twisted Metal hehe. He got pretty good at those too, Battlefront II 2005 especially, even put me through my paces there, least after a couple years in training on the old standards. I was glad I kept the PS2 with the discs, cause those couldn't be acquired on the PS3 or PS4. Sony just putting the burn on backwards compatibility which to me was like they're whole angle. I had some Genesis ports too, to play via PS2, which I held onto for that purpose. Like the handme down system system, reliable. My original introduction was NES era, so I can recall how they hit back then. I remember the first SEGA console though, like the one where you didn't even need a cartridge to play Snail Maze, cause my buddy had that one. Genesis was major though. I still love every one of those games, including Altered Beast, though my memories there are of the standup arcade game at century 16 theaters hehe. In any case, whenever I see those sprites it's like comfort food. Shame when that sort of thing gets taken off the menu
 

Fandraxx

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So, I'm not a big fan of piracy.

Ironically, neither am I! I still buy physical CDs for musical artists I really enjoy.

BUT, when you literally give people no other option, then try to claim they shouldn't be allowed to pirate/emulate old games (as many of these companies do in court), then there is clearly a huge problem here, even beyond the topic of preservation and history.
 

JustKneller

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Wow. I was never super into Warcraft but even I have to admit that this is one of the criterion games of the hobby. I guess it's just one more game for which people will have to sail the seven seas.
 

m7600

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Can anyone explain to me a possible motive for delisting? I feel like I’m missing something. I mean, if they’re digital sales, there are barely any labour costs or anything else I can think of that would make it prohibitive as a business model. Why would they abandon a revenue stream?
There's no reasonable explanation for the question that you're asking, IMHO. There are unreasonable explanations, but no reasonable one.
 

Cahir

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Can anyone explain to me a possible motive for delisting? I feel like I’m missing something. I mean, if they’re digital sales, there are barely any labour costs or anything else I can think of that would make it prohibitive as a business model. Why would they abandon a revenue stream?
The reason is Blizzard will be doing remasters of Warcraft 1 and 2 and probably forced GOG to remove it from their store.
 

OrlonKronsteen

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The reason is Blizzard will be doing remasters of Warcraft 1 and 2 and probably forced GOG to remove it from their store.
I should have indicated that my question was about the phenomenon as a whole. The remaster argument ‘kind’ of makes sense, but as Fandraxx was saying, you’d have to be pretty insecure about the quality of your remaster to justify a scorched earth policy for legacy versions.
 

Cahir

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I should have indicated that my question was about the phenomenon as a whole. The remaster argument ‘kind’ of makes sense, but as Fandraxx was saying, you’d have to be pretty insecure about the quality of your remaster to justify a scorched earth policy for legacy versions.
Well, given their track record with Warcraft 3: Reforged, I'd say the argument about insecurity is not without merit 😀
 

Fandraxx

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Can anyone explain to me a possible motive for delisting? I feel like I’m missing something. I mean, if they’re digital sales, there are barely any labour costs or anything else I can think of that would make it prohibitive as a business model. Why would they abandon a revenue stream?

So, as best I understand it, the vast majority of delistings are due to contractual expirations/disagreements. In those cases, it isn't necessarily that the publisher doesn't want to keep selling the game, but that doing so would place them in some sort of legal jeopardy.

Unfortunately, this type of issue is only likely to become more common as game studios have an increasing number of shareholders/involved parties in their games.
 
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