Pathfinder: Kingmaker and Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous General Discussion, Playthroughs and Minimal/No Reload Thread

[Antimatter]

(Experience sharing on/off early on)

How does this part work and what is the effect of either setting? What's the preferred way to play for more challenge?

The Tales of Grim Face & Co #8 (Challenging). Chapter 1:

And that’s it!!! Yay! First time ever I've done all Ch1 areas during it, and from now on I'm quite confident with my skills to do that in all my future playthroughs (at least on 'Challenging' difficulty)

Congrats! This sounds very nice.

 

[Serg_BlackStrider]

How does this part work and what is the effect of either setting? What's the preferred way to play for more challenge?

With experience sharing - 'off' only active party members got the experience for quests/kills and if you have reduced party you'll get more exp for quests/defeated enemies. I believe, in Prologue 9exp enemy provide 56exp instead. And with a party of four, telling the truth to Warrior Queen Bdaah and returning both relics to their owners provide 2304 exp instead of 384. Same with 'Only skill user receives skill check experience' but I don't use it (more appropriate for solo run).

Spoiler

Definitely sharing experience 'on' is more challenging since you'll level up slower. I'm not sure if you'll get level 5 for all quests/kills with sharing>'on' before Restov since I always skipped some challenging areas in my previous runs and never had full Chapter 1 clean up with sharing>'on'.

 

[Antimatter]

I see. I've never tried the option without experience sharing, I guess. This report about my Thundercaller says I reached lvl 5 while in Chapter 1 (with experience sharing), but of course, we didn't succeed in the minimum required time for the extra sword reward. So I guess it's a compromise.

 

[Serg_BlackStrider]

Well, since you've reached level 5 with your Thundercaller even before Stag Lord and Wererats with exp sharing, I think, it's also possible to complete all stuff in 30 days time limit with proper (and careful) planning when and where to go. I'll try that someday, but now I'm eager to move forward (too many restartis at the moment already... =) ).

 

[Urdnot_Wrex]

I have to stop reading this thread or I will start digging Pathfinder: Kingmaker out of my library before I finish other games. The mass of this thread is emitting a significant gravitational field.

 

[m7600]

I have to stop reading this thread or I will start digging Pathfinder: Kingmaker out of my library before I finish other games. The mass of this thread is emitting a significant gravitational field.

Join us, join the dark side...

 

[alice_ashpool]

WotR Core Last Azlanti Update

Eve killed the Dragon (so easy that we bugged out its 2nd phase - it teleported away then instantly died) and Old Sarkorian Ghost - I have been using Daeran's Channel a lot more since I have been playing much more conservatively., but simultaneously with a High AC MC I have had a lot fewer Skeleton summons (think 12 rather than 50)

Next we took out Molten Scar which I had been delaying because of the army in the way (Crusade is on standard despite no requirement to be so for Core difficulty afaik). EZ

So now Eve is getting ready to go to Blackwater!

 

[alice_ashpool]

Blackwater is the point it all really comes together.

So many red numbers, so little time (to kill)

 

[alice_ashpool]

Almost done with Act 3 - a couple of deaths - Woljif (ambush 1-shot him) and Daeran (AoO'd dueing ambush) Fortunatly a good supply of DIamonds saw me through. Just wrapping up the very last stuff before Assaulting Ivory Sanctum. Last Azlanti Core still going strong.

 

[alice_ashpool]

Ivory Sanctum is painful - I forgot abut the clusters of Shadow Demon Votaries, the Coloxus demons, the Mythic Demons you have to kill twice, the locust swarms, the, heaven forbid, votaries which drop Destructions (MC ate on of them, fortunately HP buffer left her with 40HP and a quick Reach Metamagic Rod Heal from Daeran put her back at max).

I cleared the whole thing except Xanthir and the last Ghostly Minotaur on one rest, which was fine except for the 3 deaths:

Daeran died because of a rolling boulder (whoops), Lann died in combat twice because he is a spare tire (Breath of life brought him back both times). Clown plays.

 

[alice_ashpool]

WotR Core Last Azlanti Update - Eve the Eldritch Scoundrel

I come bearing great tidings. Last Azlanti Core Playful Darkness is dead

We killed the beastie with Aru wielding Finnean, which is a pretty "standard" way to do it. She kills Playful in 3-4 rounds. Everyone else throws dispel Magics - Daeran drops the Goggles of Dispelling or whatever theyre called for a 20 on dispel rolls first time. We managed to dispel a few things. All except Eve, who, with a bit of calculation I worked out could wade in and hit PD with Second Chance (Stacking +3AB every time you miss until you hit) We took almost no damage. Also 3x Creeping Doom and an army of Skellies - sue me its Last Azlanti XD.

We claim our ridiculous prize from the Inevitable Excess Rift: Flawless Belt of Physical Perfection +8. You read that right. Not only is it +8 to all physical stats but the "flawless" means increased crit range. No joke Eve has a 13-20 crit range now.

I will do a full Gear + Levels update when I finish Act 3

 

[alice_ashpool]

Eve, Traditional Monk (1) Eldritch Scoundrel (14)

All buffed up and ready to go

Starting Stats:
Str: 7
Dex: 19 (All points here)
Con: 14
Int: 14
Wis: 16
Cha: 7

Background: Acolye (Wis instead of Cha for Pursuasion)

Skills: Mobility, Trickery, Stealth, Perception, Pursuasion (Could swap Trickery for UMD for using e.g. Seamantle Scrolls)

1 (Traditional Monk): Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Elven Curved Blade; Dodge; Crane Style
2 (Eldritch Scoundrel 1): (free weapon finesse, sneak attack for actually doing some damage)
3 (Eldritch Scoundrel 2): Weapon Focus: Elven Curved Blade; First rogue talent: Slippery Mind
4 (Eldritch Scoundrel 3): Finesse Training: Elven Curved Blade
5 (Eldritch Scoundrel 4): (gain debilitation - usually I do AC penalty)
6 (Eldritch Scoundrel 5): Combat Expertise
7 (Eldritch Scoundrel 6): Outflank (teamwork feat - every melee takes)
8 (Eldritch Scoundrel 7): Second Rogue Talent: Uncanny Dodge
9 (Eldritch Scoundrel 8): Shake It Off (teamwork feat - everyone takes except Nenio who needs feats for Loremaster)
10 (Eldritch Scoundrel 9)
11 (Eldritch Scoundrel 10): Improved Critical (Elven Curved Blade)
12 (Eldritch Scoundrel 11): Finesse Training Kama (just in case we need 1 extra dodge AC Eve can swap to Offense by Défense and still do some damage)
13 (Eldritch Scoundrel 12) Improved Inititive and the amazing rogue talent: Double Debilitation (currently -6AB and -6AC debuff on hitting an enemy - will increase to -8/-8 though only for self, -2/-2 for allies)
14 (Eldritch Scoundrel 13)
15 (Eldritch Scoundrel 14) Crane wing

Important Gear
Head: Intelligence +6
Amulet: Mighty Fists +4 (afaik Mighty Fists is Converted to Agile Fists if you have Weapon Finesse)
Glasses: none
Armor: None
Shirt: Silky Veil (+1 dodge AC)
Cloak: Resistance +4
Belt: Flawless Belt of Physical Perfection +8
Ring 1: Flawless Ring of Protection +7
Ring 2: Ring of Summoning (30 ft aura: +2 damage and +2 saves vs chaotic)
Gloves: Claws of Sacred Beast (Bugged +1 AB +1 damage)
Boots: Boots of Free Rein (Perma freedom of movement)
Bracers: Lucky Bracers

Weapons: Finnean +3, Second Chance, Défense by Offense

Mythics:
1: Every Ready
2: Sorcerous Reflex
3: Archmage Armor
4: Inspirational Leader

Minor Demonic Aspects: Succubus and Nabasu (Saving throw bonus, AB debuff aura)
Major Demonic Aspects: Shadow Demon (Wis bonus, Incorporeal during Rage) and Omox (DR/-, Grapple on attack during rage)

 

[alice_ashpool]

And we're finally seeing some decent numbers:

Note the (Immune) bottom right. That's right Aspect of Shadow Demon makes us Incorporeal which means some serious damage immunities have kicked in. Very nice.

 

[Urdnot_Wrex]

I like that you're sharing the exact build, it's nice because I'm still a bit overwhelmed by the mass of details and choices and what the consequences are. Much appreciated, also for reference if I ever actually have the patience to go through the character creation for P:K some day when I have finished my D:OS2 Tactician run with Lohse.

In D:OS2 the respec options are a huge help, but IIRC in Kingmaker there's no respec, only in WotR?

 

[Serg_BlackStrider]

In D:OS2 the respec options are a huge help, but IIRC in Kingmaker there's no respec, only in WotR?

Respec is available in Kingmaker, it's just not free like in D:OS. First three times it's free and after that you'll need to pay for it. And enabling it also changes any pre-set difficulty levels to 'Custom'.

Spoiler

 

[alice_ashpool]

Holy Hells Alushiyrra (especially the upper city) has some of the most deadly encounters imaginable. Had my first real "near miss".

 

[alice_ashpool]

Act 5 Team Photo

 

[alice_ashpool]

Update, We have made it. Almost!

1 (Traditional Monk): Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Elven Curved Blade; Dodge; Crane Style
2 (Eldritch Scoundrel 1): (free weapon finesse, sneak attack for actually doing some damage)
3 (Eldritch Scoundrel 2): Weapon Focus: Elven Curved Blade; First rogue talent: Slippery Mind
4 (Eldritch Scoundrel 3): Finesse Training: Elven Curved Blade
5 (Eldritch Scoundrel 4): (gain debilitation - usually I do AC penalty)
6 (Eldritch Scoundrel 5): Combat Expertise
7 (Eldritch Scoundrel 6): Outflank (teamwork feat - every melee takes)
8 (Eldritch Scoundrel 7): Second Rogue Talent: Uncanny Dodge
9 (Eldritch Scoundrel 8): Shake It Off (teamwork feat - everyone takes except Nenio who needs feats for Loremaster)
10 (Eldritch Scoundrel 9)
11 (Eldritch Scoundrel 10): Improved Critical (Elven Curved Blade)
12 (Eldritch Scoundrel 11): Finesse Training Kama (just in case we need 1 extra dodge AC Eve can swap to Offense by Défense and still do some damage)
13 (Eldritch Scoundrel 12) Improved Initiative and the amazing rogue talent: Double Debilitation (currently -6AB and -6AC debuff on hitting an enemy - will increase to -8/-8 though only for self, -2/-2 for allies)
14 (Eldritch Scoundrel 13)
15 (Eldritch Scoundrel 14) Crane wing
16 (Eldritch Scoundrel 15) Rogue Talent: Opportunist
17 (Eldritch Scoundrel 16) Iron WIll
18 (Mutation Warrior 1) Crane Riposte

Mythics:
1: Every Ready
2: Sorcerous Reflex
3: Archmage Armor
4: Improved Critical (ECB)
5: Inspirational Leader
6: Iron Will (Mythic)
7: Rupture Restraints
8: Mythic Resolve
9: Unstoppable

Head: Intelligence +6
Amulet: Sarzaksys Payza (Immunity to Necromancy Spells while Demonic Raging)
Glasses: Goggles of Piercing Gaze (+10 Persuasion, +1 Insight bonus to AB and Damage)
Armor: None
Shirt: Silky Veil (+1 dodge AC)
Cloak: Resistance +5
Belt: Flawless Belt of Physical Perfection +8
Ring 1: Flawless Ring of Protection +7
Ring 2: Ring of Immanent Demise (+2 competence to AB and damage with 2-handed weapons; Attempt to knock down on AoO)
Gloves: Claws of Sacred Beast (Bugged +1 AB +1 damage)
Boots: Boots of Free Rein (Perma freedom of movement)
Bracers: Lucky Bracers

Main things are getting Sarzaksys Payza, Ring of Immanent Demise and Goggles of Piercing Gaze in Act 4. Unfortunatly the Rift in the Mines is bugged atm so no Headband of Mental Perfection +8 for us.

 

[alice_ashpool]

When I get to level 20 Mythic 10 I will do a full break down of the MC, NPC builds, gear and some other stuff - for posterity if nothing else. Proof, if proof is needed that Melee Last Azlanti Core is plenty viable, that Eldritch Scoundrel is strong and that Demon path best path XD

 

[alice_ashpool]

Temporary HP showcase. The Heal, Mass Is daeran's oracle ability: Spirit Boost.